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His instructor Gokor is a 2nd Deg. His other instructor Rodrigo is a 4th Deg.

Lot of info lacking, which makes the BJJ part look like an after thought. The BB promotion pic shows same kind of diploma as for earlier belts, which are clearly not for BJJ and which are also signed(?!) by Gene LeBell (who died two years ago). IBJJF doesn't list him, which they themselves claim they would if he was registered with them as he claims. IBJJF are of course often faulty. Sometimes by not listing someone who actually has paid them hundreds of dollars for their registration. But also sometimes by verifying someone who was promoted by a less than 2:nd degree BB and/or haven't spent the required time in each belt. So would really need Ryan to show his own evidence, without referencing claimed IBJJF screen shots. A good start would be to show a clear picture of the actual diplomas in the BB promotion picture. Do they say BJJ while still having Gene LeBell on them? I would be surprised if they did, but I'll gladly have a look.

Even taking the IBJJF evidence at face value, those screenshots don't say Gokor as promoting instructor for brown belt, so either the promoting instructor entry needs to be modified or new evidence needs to be added.

We have been over this before with Gokor's organization. Rodrigo a 4th degree signs off on all Black Belt BJJ diplomas but Gokor is considered the senior instructor and he is a 2nd degree Blackbelt and Masters World Champion... I get it that you don't like the situation but are you suggesting the 2 can not run the organization the way they want too?

What evidence is removed? I’ve removed nothing. All evidence is there pal. I’m a bjj black belt weather you like it or not. It’s true. Was promoted to black by 2 certified black belts … you are clearly just causing problems per usual. Anyways I’m headed out to teach class while wearing my nice fresh black belt …. Have a great day…. I am :)

So many questions left unanswered here: Is Hayastan Academy System really Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu? BB diploma post mortem signed by LeBell, who might be very legit, but does he have a degree in BJJ? There was some challenging going back and forth between him and some Gracies, but I've never heard about it being resolved by LeBells judo becoming BJJ. Gokor (if 2:nd degree under Rodrigo?) and Rodrigo (Mitsuyo Maeda > Carlos Gracie > Carlson Gracie > Ze Mario Sperry in 1999 checks out) can of course promote in BJJ. But the question I'm raising is did they? Do they? Is Hayastan and Gene LeBell judo and BJJ the same? Or do they promote at the same time in all styles? Why then only a diploma in Hayastan? Did they really promote historically in BJJ or is that just an after thought lately, which IBJJF has accepted for some connections and/or money? Besides degree not showing up in IBJJF:s BB database.

I think you had pictures of the full diplomas before while now only showing a truncated version. If you show the full diplomas, will it show that they expire(!)? I've honestly never seen BJJ promotion diplomas that have an expiration date. Also see my questions above. Not least, since LeBell's signature is on the diplomas, did he ever see himself as a BJJ practitioner? Did he have a BJJ degree and if so, from whom?

In that case, the diplomas are NOT for BJJ, are they? Which means you haven't provided any evidence for your claimed BJJ promotion history, which makes it indistinguishable from an afterthought. If you haven't been representing BJJ for 16 years, have you been doing BJJ for 16 years? Or the required 4,5 years before your BB? I'm open to new evidence if you have. Also, if you can show that Hayastan Academy is clearly representing BJJ. I don't see that the academy is representing BJJ looking at the homepage.

You’ve said your piece and you’ve made your vote. You clearly cannot comprehend the situation like everyone else is easily able to do. So move along.

I'm myself a believer that there's really not different styles, just different incentives and adapting more or less successful to those incentives. So I can see the silly side of even having belts. What is BJJ then and should BJJ belts be just thrown in as an extra bonus at an academy that from all I can tell doesn't identify itself as a BJJ academy? Can it and have it been thrown in as an afterthought or has there been clear BJJ promotions and some BJJ competition etc. along the way? I might change to just not casting a vote, but as of now, there's too many unanswered questions. You having registered on Beltchecker is in some ways a sign that at least YOU might care about BJJ and identify as a BJJ practitioner, so I guess that's still a good thing, even if I for now have disputed :-)

I don’t just train at Hayastan mma. I have explained enough though. Dispute all you like… it doesn’t change reality

I clearly do not comprehend the situation like "everyone else" (everyone=eight people), but try to comprehend that this might be because I comprehend it differently, not less.

Reality is you have a fantastic grappling lineage and I'm sure you are skilled beyond a BJJ BB rank. That's nothing I'm disputing!

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Thank you Scott! Took a while 😂

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