"I find it interesting. He basically said that the evidence that I have given the IBJJF would suffice and satisfy his standards. 🤣 I feel like I’m living in the twilight zone with this guy."
Did you provide that same evidence on your profile?
This site is not less, nor less important, than the IBJJF,
If anything, the processes here are in some ways,
Designed to be more rigorous, and less corrupted by money flows.
"Did you provide that same evidence on your profile.
This site is not less, nor less important, than the IBJJF,
If anything, the processes here are in some ways,
Designed to be more rigorous, and less corrupted by money flows."
Yes, I did as I’m sure you have looked. I have all the dates from white belt all the way to Black belt.
"Did you provide that same evidence on your profile.
This site is not less, nor less important, than the IBJJF,
If anything, the processes here are in some ways,
Designed to be more rigorous, and less corrupted by money flows."
Yes, I did as I’m sure you have looked. I have all the dates from white belt all the way to Black belt.
"Did you provide that same evidence on your profile.
This site is not less, nor less important, than the IBJJF,
If anything, the processes here are in some ways,
Designed to be more rigorous, and less corrupted by money flows."
And when you say one is not more important to then the other, who are you referring to because nobody can tell me which one is more important to me. As I cannot tell you, which one should be more important to you. I’ll tell you one thing it’s important enough that we keep going going back-and-forth for an entire 24 hours lol
"And when you say one is not more important to then the other, who are you referring to because nobody can tell me which one is more important to me. As I cannot tell you, which one should be more important to you. I’ll tell you one thing it’s important enough that we keep going going back-and-forth for an entire 24 hours lol"
You are correct.
I clarify: to me, neither is more important to me, or many people here.
"You are correct.
I clarify: to me, neither is more important to me, or many people here.
For others, one is more or less."
I think this website has some great tools. I’ll be honest I haven’t used it much in a few years. I used it at first to keep track of promotions and things. But at this point, I think I am planning on deleting the account. I’ve been discussing it with my student students and only a couple of them really use it to track their time and they will continue to do so. I hope Johan when he gets done with his investigation shares with everyone his findings. But for now I will be logging off. You can find me on Facebook under Hayastan grappling Michigan if you have any other questions or concerns.
"Also, while I am not personally offended by Johan's use of the word "autism", or Mr. Mech's use of the word "retarded", those words add no persuasiveness towards either of their arguments, when so added, rather the reverse. Those types of comments reflect poorly on their authors, not their intended targets. (I recognize Johan used the word autism, towards himself, and his own methods, not towards Mr. Mech). Since they both not only used those words incidentally, but intentionally, and deliberately. Those words, while they are words, do not add any substance, nor weight to the arguments they make. In fact, they distract from them, and make their authors seem disposed to rather quick crassness."
I've had people with highly functional autism very close to me and although used a bit tongue in cheek here, I hoped it would show that the described way of functioning or reasoning was actually something I think is something really good to be able to switch on when you act in certain roles (deliberate temporary rewiring, to connect to Ryan's words) and that I would wish to see more, not less, in others. Although it of course also has unfavorable social impact on those unable to switch it on and off, especially when in social situations with people who have no understanding or tolerance towards it. But I see your point too and I hope you can at least see the point I was trying to make, even if I failed for you in that part.
I'm personally not very sensitive to being called low IQ, although my own occasional insults on the brain of others tend to be a bit more indirect and (at least to my taste) refined. And I strive to be respectful, tolerant and non-condescending to those who actually have intellectual disabilities and recognize that although popular to insult by implicitly saying someone has poor intellectual functioning, it can at the same time be problematic. But the let the one throw the first stone who has never laughed at anyone in a film or TV-show doing something obviously non intelligent, with spectacular consequences.
"I've had people with highly functional autism very close to me and although used a bit tongue in cheek here, I hoped it would show that the described way of functioning or reasoning was actually something I think is something really good to be able to switch on when you act in certain roles (deliberate temporary rewiring, to connect to Ryan's words) and that I would wish to see more, not less, in others. Although it of course also has unfavorable social impact on those unable to switch it on and off, especially when in social situations with people who have no understanding or tolerance towards it. But I see your point too and I hope you can at least see the point I was trying to make, even if I failed for you in that part.
I'm personally not very sensitive to being called low IQ, although my own occasional insults on the brain of others tend to be a bit more indirect and (at least to my taste) refined. And I strive to be respectful, tolerant and non-condescending to those who actually have intellectual disabilities and recognize that although popular to insult by implicitly saying someone has poor intellectual functioning, it can at the same time be problematic. But the let the one throw the first stone who has never laughed at anyone in a film or TV-show doing something obviously non intelligent, with spectacular consequences."
I would definitely say your IQ is higher than mine lol but I’m not trying to outsmart you.
William I didn't know you knew Vlad.. Great guy, excellent teacher. and monster on the mat.
I am sorry but I find the argument about Gokor's organization giving belts in BJJ a bit misguided. I know
Gokor and had originally posted how their BJJ system works .. Plus on the face of it GOKOR is a long time BJJ Black belt and in time served would rank above my recent 3rd degree. He also has Won a couple IBJJF Masters Black belt World Championships..
I realize on a peer reviewed site we are going to have varying personal criteria and that's great. It's interesting to see the different approaches,
Ryan don't get upset in every group there are outliers and if you have been here any time at all you know this is Johan being Johan
"You can find me on Facebook under Hayastan grappling Michigan if you have any other questions or concerns."
It just clicked for me that you run your gym in Gaylord. Coincidentally, my wife and I were planning on dropping in when we went to visit my grandma last month, but there was a big snow storm which forced us to change our plans around.
I hope you don't delete your profile and remove your voice from these continuing dialogues. I think you have a unique perspective, considering your background.
"It just clicked for me that you run your gym in Gaylord. Coincidentally, my wife and I were planning on dropping in when we went to visit my grandma last month, but there was a big snow storm which forced us to change our plans around.
I hope you don't delete your profile and remove your voice from these continuing dialogues. I think you have a unique perspective, considering your background."
As a Brit I just read "It just clicked for me that you run your gym in Gaylord." My first thought was why we throwing these insults around, I have now figured out its a place and I have google maps it, turns out I have relatives close to you over near Michigan.
"As a Brit I just read "It just clicked for me that you run your gym in Gaylord." My first thought was why we throwing these insults around, I have now figured out its a place and I have google maps it, turns out I have relatives close to you over near Michigan."
"This one is still going on.
William I didn't know you knew Vlad.. Great guy, excellent teacher. and monster on the mat.
I am sorry but I find the argument about Gokor's organization giving belts in BJJ a bit misguided. I know
Gokor and had originally posted how their BJJ system works .. Plus on the face of it GOKOR is a long time BJJ Black belt and in time served would rank above my recent 3rd degree. He also has Won a couple IBJJF Masters Black belt World Championships..
I realize on a peer reviewed site we are going to have varying personal criteria and that's great. It's interesting to see the different approaches,
Ryan don't get upset in every group there are outliers and if you have been here any time at all you know this is Johan being Johan"
Yeah, I definitely shouldn’t have let it get to me as much as I did
Are you really disputing Ryan's black belt and Gokor's right to award it from the information provided ?
Or is you issue that you don't like the way Hayastan chooses to promote as an organization.
There is a very real difference between asking questions or not voting and disputing. When people get a little upset at times you may want to remember you are taking public action and DISPUTING their belt level.
When people started to dispute your stripes as they were awarded at the same time ( also not the norm ) and you gave a brief explanation and people down voted you turns out you expected people to accept your explanation it was deemed revenge by you not fair play.
You are 100% within your rights to uphold whatever standard you deem fit but should also expect the same.
But be honest with yourself in reality every time you dispute you are taking action to call someone a liar. That is where the reactions come from
"Johan
Are you really disputing Ryan's black belt and Gokor's right to award it from the information provided ?
Or is you issue that you don't like the way Hayastan chooses to promote as an organization.
There is a very real difference between asking questions or not voting and disputing. When people get a little upset at times you may want to remember you are taking public action and DISPUTING their belt level.
When people started to dispute your stripes as they were awarded at the same time ( also not the norm ) and you gave a brief explanation and people down voted you turns out you expected people to accept your explanation it was deemed revenge by you not fair play.
You are 100% within your rights to uphold whatever standard you deem fit but should also expect the same.
But be honest with yourself in reality every time you dispute you are taking action to call someone a liar. That is where the reactions come from"
This is how I ended up feeling after many times of explaining myself and it’s been going on for some time as you know. I was fine with the fact that we just could not agree on what he wanted from me because in my opinion, I have everything well documented. I think other people share this opinion as well. I typically don’t resort to insults, but when he started down voting my students recently out of the blue, I took it a little personal. Yes this is belt checker, but some of the comments he puts on there to my paying students suggesting that I do not have a Jiu Jitsu black belt I thought was a bit disrespectful. Fortunately, for me, my students believe in me, and they know that I am in fact, a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt and a lifetime martial artist. I’ve literally been on the mats since grade school. But anyways the discussion has made it to Rodrigo and Gokor and his son Arthur. It sounds like they will address Johan soon. Whether or not he likes the explanation which will probably be very similar to what I already gave him is another story.
"Johan Are you really disputing Ryan's black belt and Gokor's right to award it from the information provided ? Or is you issue that you don't like the way Hayastan chooses to promote as an organization. There is a very real difference between asking questions or not voting and disputing. When people get a little upset at times you may want to remember you are taking public action and DISPUTING their belt level. When people started to dispute your stripes as they were awarded at the same time ( also not the norm ) and you gave a brief explanation and people down voted you turns out you expected people to accept your explanation it was deemed revenge by you not fair play. You are 100% within your rights to uphold whatever standard you deem fit but should also expect the same. But be honest with yourself in reality every time you dispute you are taking action to call someone a liar. That is where the reactions come from"
There are signs that Gokor didn't really jump through the official IBJJF hoops (which IBJJF falsely claim not to compromise with), such as passing through previous belts, although I do not know how long he has been practicing BJJ specifically under Rodrigo before BB, whether with belts or not (thus completing non-IBJJF belted 4½y in BJJ before BB).
But with Rodrigo Antunes (very legit 1999 BB under Mario Sperry) as co-promoter, the above doesn't really matter (Ryan has had a previous instructor and also has pics where he is clearly younger and wearing BJJ gi and belt). The problem isn't whether or not they COULD have promoted Ryan to BB but whether or not Ryan's evidence submitted for belt checking show they did. Where I've left Ryan well over a month to add evidence and probably more than a year (Ryan seems to have purged his profile wall though, which makes it difficult to see, and I find nothing from him in my inbox).
As I've made clear on several occasions, my down votes should be seen as the equivalent of an IBJJF clerk denying registration because of presented evidence not reaching standards. I.e. the opposite of the up vote control question text "Are you sure that you trust the completeness and accuracy of the profile information and belt history for [member]". While I think the down vote control question "Are you sure that you want to dispute the validity of the profile information and/or belt history for [member]" is lacking the "completeness" part and I also do not agree with that it should necessarily be a dispute expressing mistrust but that it also can be a dispute of there being enough evidence to confidently be able to trust. A posted dispute (or verification) does of course not display any part of the control questions, only that it is A dispute (negative points). For Beltchecker to work as intented and being as legitimate as an IBJJF certified degree, I see it as necessary that a member concluding "not enough evidence" weighs just as much as a member concluding "I choose to trust even in lack of evidence", as there will otherwise inevitable be a lot of sooner or later automatically verified profiles by them just not adding anything that awakens mistrust. I can of course only affect this with my own 175p in either direction, but that's what I do.
Taking that stance would of course be easier if more did the same and the control questions where rephrased. In the meantime, I'll have to try to make clear that a down vote from me is NOT calling someone a fraud or a liar. If I want to call someone a fraud or a liar, that is what I'll write in the actual dispute.
Philip, I have no problem being down voted by someone who has odd criteria in another direction, but you're insulting every other members intelligence as well as your own if you honestly claim that you believe these four down voters saying they have just down voted me based on waiting for my own instructor to put on my time-based-degrees in person.
Who disputed pointing to my stripes?:
Jimmy Santiago (Scarecrow), whom I had disputed because he was promoted by a <2:nd degree instructor (and all his own BB stripes were claimed time-based without an actual instructor of his ever approving them) and who has never disputed anyone else.
Benjamin Westrich, whom I had disputed as he had no evidence what so ever of his promotions on his profile (he also has provided no evidence for his instructor's given 1:st stripe and claimed second stripe through Beltchecker without an actual instructor of his approving it) and who has never disputed anyone else.
His student Devin Hightower, who has never disputed anyone else.
Tjafse Van den Brink, who in comments expresses being upset by me having down voted two guys he knows and who he knows is legit (without wanting to tell who, so I could check the profiles again) and who has never disputed anyone else.
Other than down voting me, they have basically only reviewed a hand full of friends and team mates profiles each. We're not talking about anyone who has consistent criteria and apply those objectively regardless of personal feelings or affiliations, who could show masses of previous down votes based on the same criteria. So I don't even think you're able to fool yourself into believing those were not plain revenge votes. And that is a compliment, as that is stating that I do not believe that you are stupid.
"This is how I ended up feeling after many times of explaining myself and it’s been going on for some time as you know. I was fine with the fact that we just could not agree on what he wanted from me because in my opinion, I have everything well documented. I think other people share this opinion as well. I typically don’t resort to insults, but when he started down voting my students recently out of the blue, I took it a little personal. Yes this is belt checker, but some of the comments he puts on there to my paying students suggesting that I do not have a Jiu Jitsu black belt I thought was a bit disrespectful. Fortunately, for me, my students believe in me, and they know that I am in fact, a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt and a lifetime martial artist. I’ve literally been on the mats since grade school. But anyways the discussion has made it to Rodrigo and Gokor and his son Arthur. It sounds like they will address Johan soon. Whether or not he likes the explanation which will probably be very similar to what I already gave him is another story."
Ryan, if you have our old discussions documented, where on Beltchecker do you see them? Or is it e.g. wall messages or messages sent to me which you've saved before deleting them? Because if you have deleted wall messages or message threads initiated by you, you can unfortunately no longer count on me being able to retrieve those, because of how Beltchecker works. And if you check how many profiles I have voted on, I hope you understand that it wouldn't be possible to save all of this locally or in my head.
I'm looking for evidence, not for something which I like or do not like. My null hypothesis (check Wikipedia if you're unfamiliar to the concept) is same for everyone and is basically "there is not enough evidence to confidently conclude that [member] has the legit BJJ degree which they claim" but from there, I really work hard to falsify that null hypothesis! So in my verification process method, I'm always on the side of the one being belt checked, even if it might not feel like it.
I want to clarify one thing I did NOT say they were not revenge votes. In an act of revenge they decided to use
an issue in your rank history to dispute you. I believe it was 100% for revenge.
Just as I support your right to have your own criteria I support their right to use something that isn't quite right in your "bio" to revenge vote.
Johan, I was not trying to debate the meaning of dispute just explaining why you elicit the reactions you do from people.. Keep doing what it is you do I support your right to do so and I for one enjoy your participation in the forum and how your mind works
